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Disillusioned JW
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the Bible properly?
by Vanderhoven7 indo jehovah's witnesses interpret the bible properly?.
jehovah's witnesses see the bible as an organizational book which only the faithful and discreet slave (currently 8 men headquartered in warwick new york) can interpret properly.
the faithful slave was first appointed in brooklyn in 1919 and given the exclusive right and ability to understand and teach the bible properly.
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How did you feel after writing a Disassociation letter?
by Iamallcool ini might do it one day.
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Disillusioned JW
I have written two DA letters but have not sent either one. If I outlive my two remaining JW immediate family members, then soon after neither one of them is still alive I will submit a resignation letter (aka DA letter) to both the KH and to the headquarters of the JW religion. I have written part of a book promoting conversion from supernaturalism to atheistic naturalism (though not mentioning the WT or the JW religion). If I ever finish the book I will probably submit the resignation letter before proceeding to get the book published. If I get the book published while at least one of my JW family members is still alive, I probably will have to have the book published anonymously. But, my pride in my book makes me want to have the book mention me as its author. Furthermore, even if the book is published anonymously, the WT might eventually find out that I am its author. -
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How did you feel after writing a Disassociation letter?
by Iamallcool ini might do it one day.
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A benefit of writing a disassociation letter is so that you can be on record as no longer being a part of the false lying non-prophet religion. You can show your copy of that document to people to clear your name of reproach (in the eyes of non-JWs) by showing you are no longer a part of the severely messed up WT/JW religion. In the minds of some non-JWs there is probably more honor for people who formally disassociate from the WT and its religion than in being disfellowshipped/expelled from the WT/JW religion and from informally quitting the WT/JW religion.
If you start writing anti-WT books you can include a copy of the disassociation letter in your book.
The disassociation letter could possibly even save one's life (and prevent one from becoming imprisoned for being a JW) in a country (such as Russia) in which the WT/JW religion is under ban.
Consider this: Though the WT claims they ended their status as an NGO of the UN, a document on the UN website says that the UN itself disassociated the WT! Perhaps both groups mutually disassociated each other, but I think it is interesting that the UN letter literally uses the word "disassociated" in regards to its action to the WT.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the Bible properly?
by Vanderhoven7 indo jehovah's witnesses interpret the bible properly?.
jehovah's witnesses see the bible as an organizational book which only the faithful and discreet slave (currently 8 men headquartered in warwick new york) can interpret properly.
the faithful slave was first appointed in brooklyn in 1919 and given the exclusive right and ability to understand and teach the bible properly.
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Disillusioned JW
One of the annoying things I noticed about WT books and articles that are commentaries on Hebrew Scriptures prophecies is that they usually primarily apply the prophecies to events after the year 1870 (including into the future) rather than to the time period in which the prophecies were written in. Furthermore, when they apply it to after the year 1870 they do so mostly to the following: the WT/JW organization and its religion, to non-JW Christianity (which the WT calls Christendom), and to nations after the Roman empire fell. Furthermore, in a number of times they admit (or at least clam) that in regards to nations before the year 100 CE, a number of the prophecies had only a partial fulfillment, why falsely claiming the they have (or will have) a fuller fulfillment in modern times.
The prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures were written for the Jews/Israelites pertaining to their time period and have nothing directly to do with so-called Christendom and the WT/JW religion and modern-day 'gentile' nations. The applies prophecies about the nations of Israel and Judah incorrectly to the WT/JW religion and to Christendom.
As a result of the above (combined with my disbelief in the existence of Jehovah/Yahweh God) the WT publications on Bible prophecy are thus now of virtually no usefulness to me. For me, their main utility now is in showing how messed up the WT/JW religion is.
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You're DISFELLOWSHIPPED, Please---DON'T CONTACT US, Until You Return to Jehovah's Organization!
by pistolpete ini just heard this story from one of my relatives.
i'm leaving a lot of things out.. a jw couple had three kids and raised them in the religion.
the oldest one got disfellowshipped at 18 years of age because he committed fornication with a jw girl.
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Isn't the the quote of "..........normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship" half true instead of a lie (though not in the case of those who are no longer in the same household)? Namely doesn't some of the WT literature teach such in the case of where a disfellowshipped family member (especially if the disfellowipped person is the husband or wife of one of the other JW members) is living in the same household as the JW family members? I know I have read such in the WT literature during the time I was an active JW. The WT doesn't want to promote the idea that a JW should divorce their disfellowshipped spouse, except in the situation where the disfellowshipped spouse is a physical danger to the JW spouse right. Right? Maybe the WT says it OK for a JW to divorce their disfellowshipped spouse if the DF spouse is a spiritual danger to the JW spouse.
Regarding the divorce rates of JWs versus that of those 'in the world', are the rates really about the same? Though I am now an ex-JW (but not officially) I still think the WT is correct in saying that the JW divorce rate is much lower.
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The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas
by Disillusioned JW inrelated to the pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the org: the governing body announces that some in-person meetings will resume in select areas (jw.org) .
i certainly won't be participating in that..
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Related to the Pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the Org: The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas (jw.org) . I certainly won't be participating in that.
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Interesting Scripture!
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/20/#v24020007 .
.i have never noticed this scripture!
verse 7. i have never read the whole bible!
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Disillusioned JW
That is a great verse for showing what the god the Bible (one who allegedly exists) is - a deceiver (except that I know he is a fictional character). That is despite the Letter to the Hebrews claiming that God cannot lie. Maybe the Governing Body of the JWs console themselves with that verse, thinking it gives them the right to deceive their readers (even JWs) in the name of kingdom interests and in the name of promoting the theocracy of the LORD (Yahweh/Jehovah).
Update: Some Bible commentaries say that Jeremiah was in emotional distress only temporarily thought that Yahweh was deceptive. Those commentaries say that later verses show that Jeremiah later learned that Yahweh was not being deceptive.
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Those of you who found evidence in Ray Franz's books against the WT, what verifiable evidence did you find? I am interested to learn about it. -
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Liberal vs. Conservative mental health study - what do you make of it?
by Brock Talon ina pew study from 2020 (but one i just now came upon myself) reported that the more liberal you are, the more likely you are to have a mental health condition.
the worst suffering group are white females, ages 18-29 where over 56% have admitted to be described by their own doctors as having a mental health condition.
conservative females of the same age group suffer at less than half that number (27%).. while women tend to have more mental health problems than men (don't be mad at me for saying it, this is what the study reports) it is notable that liberal men have a higher percentage of mental health conditions than conservative women in the same age group.
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I'm just now starting to read this topic thread, thus I haven't yet read the Pew report, but what I notice thus far is that the articles that are discussing it are only comparing conservatives and liberals who are WHITE. For example in the articles there appears to be no mention about black liberals versus whites (liberal or conservative). Maybe the black liberals have less mental problems than white conservatives. ;)
Studies that I have seen say that atheists in the USA know more facts about the Bible (such as the names of the biblical books and the commandments of the 10 commandments) than do Christians in the USA; that a higher percentage of atheists in the USA have higher formal education and higher pay than do Christians in the USA (with Christians of very conservative denominations/churches [such as baptists, Mormons and JWs] having less education and pay than those of liberal denominations/churches [such as Unitarian/Universalists and Episcopalians]); that the percentage of atheists in the USA who are political liberal and aligned with the Democratic party is higher than people in the USA who are not atheists.
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What Should Have Been Their "Surname" or "Last Name"?
by titch inok, folks, so here's my question.
now then, assuming that you believe that there was an actual first man and a first woman, as the bible propounds, that had the name of "adam" and "eve" (as we have called them, in the english language) well, what do you think that their surname or last name would have been, or should have been?
that is, if they had surnames way back then, in the so-called "beginning" of human existence?
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titch, I remember reading somewhere that the word/name adam just means "man" and the word/name eve just means "mother" or maybe "woman", and that as a result the (or "a"?) Jewish view is that the story(ies) in Genesis about them are meant as allegories (and that Adam and Eve were not historical persons). I am not sure if that idea I read is correct, but I think it might be since I noticed names of characters in Greek myths seemingly used that way. For example, the woman named Arachne who was a weaver who weaved story-like patterns into her items and is later turned into a spider (the first spider) by an angered goddess as punishment ("arachne" is the Greek word for "spider") and the story says that all other spiders are her offspring. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne .
Also the man named Narcissus is said in a story to have fallen in love with himself. A nymph named Echo who loved him is punished by a goddess such that in speaking she can only do so by repeating the words (like an echo) of others (such as of Narcissus). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology) .
[If you think the biblical god character named Yahweh/Jehovah is mean and even evil (at least at times), a number of the Greek god characters (including goddesses) were far worse.]
I read the above Greek stories in the book called Bulfinch's Mythology and later in the book called Mythology by Edith Hamilton.